About this Show

Greta Van Susteren

News/Business. (2013) (CC)

NETWORK

DURATION
01:00:00

RATING

SCANNED IN
San Francisco, CA, USA

SOURCE
Comcast Cable

TUNER
Virtual Ch. 760 (FOX NEWS HD)

VIDEO CODEC
mpeg2video

AUDIO CODEC
ac3

PIXEL WIDTH
1280

PIXEL HEIGHT
720

TOPIC FREQUENCY

Travis Alexander 12, Us 11, Jodi Arias 7, Mark Fuhrman 5, Gus 4, Arizona 3, Allstate 3, Ted 3, Garth 3, Palm 2, Maine 2, Motorola 2, Celebrex 2, Travis 2, Bernie 2, Jodi Ann Arias 2, Bjorn 2, Campbell 2, Adam Housley 2, Infinity 1,
Borrow a DVD
of this show
  FOX News    Greta Van Susteren    News/Business.  (2013)  (CC)  

    March 15, 2013
    10:00 - 10:59pm PDT  

10:00pm
>> welcome back to "hannity." we close the show with a revelation after long rumored, but until now, well-kept presidential secret. comes to us courtesy of senator susan collins of maine, who host add lunch on capitol hill for president obama. not surprisingly the lawmaker served lobster from her home state. but while things were cordial, a bizarre twist when senator collins emerged and revealed to reports that the president declined to eat any of the food. why? she says it's because, brace yourself, his food taster was not present. well, the daily caller captured it all on tape and listen as the senator describes the menu. >>-- in keeping with the first lady's initiative and potato
10:01pm
>> un >> a food taster? it is good to be king. well, the daily caller points out the secret service
10:02pm
declined to confirm the existence of a food taster, but seems the senator from maine confirmed the fact and you're paying for it. that's a night. night. >> . >> doesn't get more vicious than this one. an arizona man in the shower, stabbed 27 times, shot in the head and his throat slit from ear to ear. his accused killer his former girlfriend now standing trial and she claims, at least now, that she was forced to kill. >> i didn't kill travis, i did not take his life. >> this is not a case of whodunit, the person who done it, sits in court today. the defense jodi ann arias. >> i can just arrest you and throw you in jail. why did you do it?
10:03pm
>> you did not shoot travis? >> no, i've never even shot a real gun. >> did you not stab him 27 times. >> that's heinous, i never. >> and slit his throat from ear to ear. >> i cannot imagine slitting anyone's throat. >> the defense calls jodi arias. >> please stand and be sworn. >> did you kill travis alexander on june 4th, 2008? >> yes, i did. >> were you crying when you were shooting him? >> i don't remember. >> were you crying when were you stabbing him? >> i don't remember. >> how about when you cut his throat, were you crying then? >> i don't know. >> you fired the gun, you shot him in the head and then you killed him. >> yes. >> tonight, jodi arias like you have never seen or heard her before. the accused killer testifying in her own defense for 18 long days, but now, the video that could change your mind about jodi arias, cameras rolling in the police interrogation room
10:04pm
capturing arias's bizarre behavior. >> this is a really trivial question and reveal how shallow i am. but before-- can i clean myself up a little bit. >>
10:05pm
. [singing] .
10:06pm
[singing] >> correspondent adam housley joins us, me, what is the background of the tape from? >> in far north california. investigators knew they had a palm print of her, knew she was lying and from the arizona and mesa area and providing the camera. the video, our producer asked for it. and as you can see, there are odd things she does in the room and goes along with the story of what happened to travis alexander and the trial itself. as you mentioned 18 days on the stand where even the jurors in arizona are allowed
10:07pm
to ask her questions are skeptical of her story. investigators were skeptical of the story from the beginning and she's had unbelievable claims and then you see that maybe this is all backed up by her behavior in in video. i mean, just hand stands, and sings a song about her memory, the artist dido and laughs and giggles, and a few minutes earlier she was bawling to investigators about the incident. it's bizarre. >> is there any indication that she knew she was being taped at all? >> well, there's no indication that we know of. however, at the same time she's a very smart woman. when you watch, we watched every second of the testimony on the stand. and she's a wordsmith, somebody who is very intelligent. she tries to play naive, but there are point it doesn't come out. you've got to believe she had an idea she was being taped. having said that you don't know for sure. she talks about herself and wanting to have her makeup done before she has a booking photo. this is a girl who did some
10:08pm
very odd things in that room, as investigators tried to get her to tell the truth and we know she lied over and over and over again. and only now, admittedly says she's telling the truth on the stand and even they there are a lot of holes in her story, gr greta. >> thank you. >> and accused killer jodi arias spending 18 days on the witness stand. >> the defense calls jodi arias. >> miss arias please stand to be sworn. >> did you kill travis alexander on june 4th, 2008? >> yes, i did. >> you gave an interview with inside he edition, do you remember seeing that tape? >> yes, i do. >> and in that tape you said that no jury would convict you, something to that effect. do you remember saying that, do you remember saying that? >> yeah, i did say that. i made that statement in september of 2008 and at the
10:09pm
time i had plans to commit suici suicide. so i was extremely confident that no jury would convict me because i didn't expect to be here. and and reason that a jury wouldn't convict me, i would have been stripped down and thrown in a padded cell' soy was very confident no jury would convict me because i was planning to be dead probably the most bitter words i'll eat. >> when he began to remove your clothing, was that that surprising to you? >> it was, well, it was a little surprising, but it was more -- i felt apprehensive, but i was going with it. >> what do you mean you felt apprehensive? >> well, i wasn't expecting
10:10pm
that, so i didn't want to tell him no, so i just kept going with it. >> reflect back on the weekend and your way back to palm desert, did you consider your actions and your own, not his, but your own actions as it relates to that-- >> i considered it. >> and how did you feel about that? >> well, i trusted what i was told by him so i didn't feel like there was any-- i just felt, i felt a little b bit-- i hate to put it this way, i felt a little bit used, but i knew i'd gone there willingly on my own. >> so mr. alexander was sleeping in the bed next to you, right. >> yes. >> and your bags were in the home, right. >> in the bedroom.
10:11pm
>> in the bedroom. did you get up and grab a gun and shoot him? >> no. >> did you grab a knife and be stab him in the bed? >> no, travis flipped out again and he stood up and he stepped out of the shower and he picked me up crouching, but he lifted me up as he was screaming stupid idiot and he body slammed me again on the tile, freaking out, i'm freaking out like i said rolled off to my left and began running down the hallway and i could hear his footsteps chasing me. >> were you scared when he was chasing you. >> yeah, i didn't want him to grab me again. >> what were you scared that he would do? >> who knows at that point. he had already almost killed
10:12pm
me so i ran into the closet and i slammed the door and i intended to run through the opposite end of the door 'cause it had another exit and as soon as i got in there i began to runny remembered where he kept the gun. i grabbed the gun, i ran out of the closet. he was chasing me. i turned around and in the middle of the bathroom, pointed it at him with both of my hands. i thought that would stop him. someone were pointing a gun at me i would stop. he just kept running, he got like a linebacker he got kind of low and grabbed my waist before he did that, he was lunging at me, the gun went off. i didn't mean to shoot him or anything, i didn't even think i was holding the trigger, i was just pointing it at him and i didn't even know that i shot him. it just, it went off and he was, he lunged at me and we fell. so, he's grabbing at my clothes and i got up and he's
10:13pm
just screaming angry and after i'd broke away from him, he's -- he said (bleep). >> once you broke away from him what do you remember? >> almost nothing for a long time. there are some things that have come back over here, but nothing -- i don't know if those are things i'm thinking of from before or if it's that day. it's confusing 'cause there's like a huge gap, like i don't know if i blacked out-- >> well, let me ask you this: do you remember stabbing travis alexander. >> i have no memory of stabbing him. >> do you remember as we see
10:14pm
he here in exhibit 162, do you remember dragging him across the floor? >> no. >> you say you have memory problems, but it depends on the circumstance, right? >> that's right. >> and give me the factors. i don't want to know about the specific circumstance. what factors influence your having a memory problem? >> usually when men like you are screaming at me or grilling at me or someone like travis doing the same. >> so that affects your memory, right. >> it makes my brain scramble. >> so you're saying that it's -- basically what you're saying it's mr. martinez's fault that you can't remember things that are going on. >> it's not your fault. >> i'm not saying that, you're saying that, isn't it? >> no, i'm not saying that. >> where were you taking the
10:15pm
photographs when this happened? what i'm seeing on this exhibit. >> outside the shower. >> pardon? >> outside the shower. >> and why don't you put a mark on there. ma'am, were you crying when you were shooting him? >> i don't remember. >> were you crying when you were stabbing him? >> i don't remember. >> how about when you cut his throat, were you crying then? >> i don't know. >> well, take a look, ma'am. and you're the one that did this, right? >> yes. >> and you're the same individual that lied about all this, right? >> yes. >> and so take a look.
10:16pm
>> straight ahead, a friend of jodi arias testifies for the defense, but he said there is much more to the story that the public simply does not know. he's going to tell you and also, self-defense or premeditated murder. detective mark fuhrman gives the evidence. >> and the point where i can't remember anything after he sa said-- threatened my life. michael, tell us why you used to book this fabulous hotel? well you can see if the hotel is pet friendly before you book it, and i got a great deal without bidding. and where's your furry friend? oh, i don't have a cat.
10:17pm
now you can save up to 50% during priceline's spring hotel sale use promo code spring for additional savings on all express deals, including pet friendly hotels. express deals. priceline savings without the bidding. got you ! you cannot escape the rebel forces ! ahhh. got you ! got ya ! gotcha ! got . that's all you got, brother ? take that. never having to surrender the things that matter. gotcha. that's powerful. verizon. thto fight chronic. osteoarthritis pain. to fight chronic low back pain. to take action. to take the next step. today, y will know you did something for your pain.
10:18pm
cymbalta can help. cymbalta is a pain reliever fda-approved to manage chronic musculoskeletal pain. one non-narcotic pill a day, every day, can helpeduce this pain. tell your doctor right away if your mood worsens, you have unusual changes in mood or behavior or thoughts of suicide. anti-depressants can increase these in children, teens, and young adults. cymbalta inot for children under 18. people taking maois, linezolid or thioridazine or with uncontrolled glaucoma should not take cymbalta. taking it with nsaid pain relievers, aspirin, or blood thinners may increase bleeding risk. severe liver problems, some fatal, were reported. signs include abdominal pain and yellowing skin or eyes. tell your doctor about all your medicines, including those for migraine and while on cymbalta, call right away if you have high fever, confusion and stiff muscles or serious allergic skin reactions like blisters, peeling rash, hives, or mouth sores to address possible life-threatening conditions. talk about your alcohol use, lir disease and before you reduce or stop cymbalta. dizziness or fainting may occur upon standing. take the next step. talk to your doctor.
10:19pm
cymbalta can help. just begin with america's favorite soups. bring out chicken broccoli alfredo. or best-ever meatloaf. go to campbellskitchen.com for recipes, plus a valuable coupon. campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do.
10:20pm
>> jodi arias' lawyers say she killed travis alexander in self-defense. one of the furs witnesses called to the stand, a former co-worker of arias, testified that he saw her fight with travis over the phone. >> during the phone call that we were talking about, did miss arias identify who she was speaking to. >> yes. >> who was that. >> travis. >> travis alexander? >> travis alexander.
10:21pm
>> could you describe for us, you talked about being in this small motor home. so could you describe for us her demeanor after the phone call? >> well once it got heated she excused herself and stepped outside. she talked to him for about a half hour outside and when she came back in, she was shaking and crying. >> okay. had you seen her act like that before in any of your prior interactions with her. >> no. >> did you ever see miss arias get mad at travis? >> no. >> and gus joins us. nice to see you, gus. >> hello. >> just, tell me, how did you know jodi arias? >> i had gone to arizona to
10:22pm
speak at a meeting where they were all at and after the speaking, they kind of all go out to dinner and after dinner i'd he actually met -- well, i'd met both travis and jody at the event and then after dinner she approached me to ask me if i would help her improve her business and do better at what she was doing. >> but how long did you know her before travis' murder? >> a little over a year. >> during that time did she -- did you talk to her often or see her often? >> we would talk a couple times a week. we'd see each other probably every two to three months at events somewhere where i was speaking or at conventions or things like that, but we would talk a couple times a week. in order to help her, there was accountability and she would check in with me and see how she was doing and what she was doing and if she'd
10:23pm
followed through on what we were talking about. >> in all the times you spoke to her, did she confide that she was afraid of travis or he hurt her in any way? >> yeah, as it started to progress, as we got to know each other better, in order to work with her, you need to learn what's going on with someone, is it mental, physical emotional, why aren't they succeeding, and it started coming out that she was having problems, that she was upset with him. they were breaking up, they were going back together and at one point it became obvious that he was really more using her than anything else. and then at one point, she called me up one day and she was very upset and they'd had some kind of a fight and she needed to get away. i happened to be in las vegas, about an hour and a half away why don't you come there and spend the day with me there, and let things calm down. >> so i asked-- i'm curious whether there was physical interaction because some guys might be cads and
10:24pm
creeps and some might be an in bad relationship and then the physical relationship where someone is abusive with someone. into which category did this relationship fall in. from what i experienced, from what i can testify, what i witnessed was verbal. i mean, for example, when she came to the motor home, he called her. she didn't really want to take the call, but she took it and when she told him, a he want today get off the phone-- when she want today get off the phone with her, and he started cussing at her, and the moment he cussed at her ducked like she was ducking a bullet and capitulated and went outside and spoke with him for about half an hour. the moment he exerted any dominance over here, she caved. >> the night that he was murdered, i understand she called you the next day at 3 a.m.? >> about 3 in the morning i'd got ten a call from jodi and i saw the phone said, it was
10:25pm
her. i answered the phone. she was crying and i asked what's wrong. and she was crying a little bit and she said travis is dead. and i knew she was crazy about him so i said, what happened? she said she didn't know. so, at this point keep in mind i had no reason to suspect anything other than that. i asked, are you okay? she said yes. i asked where are you? she said northern california. so, now in my mind she's like 1200 miles away from where he was. i asked her if she needed a ride. she said no, she was going to rent a car. i said okay, let me know what happened. and i've been criticized, why didn't i call the police. and i get calls, people died. he died, she didn't know the details and she was 1200 miles away and driving to arizona. >> do you find it peculiar,
10:26pm
and that's makes a fourth story. the first at 3:30 in the morning didn't know what happened. and police one story she wasn't there. and to someone else, somebody else did it and now she's saying self-defense, so now we've got four stories. do you find that peculiar? >> probably not as peculiar as you might think. i'm not condoning what happened, by the way, but something has just done something really, really bad there's a human experience, you fight or flight and you're going to try to do what you can do in your mind, whether it's right or wrong, to protect yourself. so, also, i think there was some evidence she wanted to try to protect travis' reputation, too, she didn't really want a lot of this getting out, that gone out. >> and you believe that? i mean, you know her, but i look at the autopsy report he had 30 knife wounds, he was shot and the woman said it, it
10:27pm
doesn't look like particularly anything else, it doesn't look like self-defense when you have that many wounds. i'm not saying it can't be, but the odds are against it. >> i think it's a little of both. think of it logically. i've heard a lot of talk about premeditation, no one's answered that question for me, let's assume she had a gun and there wasn't a gun in the place like alleged. why wouldn't she, if it was premeditated when he opened the door, shoot him or after they'd had sex and he was asleep, shoot him. why would you get in a fight with a guy twice as big as you and twice as strong as you. i actually think what happened is, he did have a temper. something flared, they start today fight and she just lost it. i'm not saying it's a valid reason for doing it. why would you get in a fight with a guy who could beat the crap out of you and not shoot him while he was sleeping. that didn't happen. >> the problem with self-defense, if she's the aggressor and she has a gun
10:28pm
and the knife and the way you described it, didn't look, quote, losing it isn't fear of your safety. >> i'm not arguing that point. i'm just saying that once started, i think it got to the point where she just snapped the. i can't speak to that, but i know if i was half the size of someone else, that was twice as big as me i wouldn't take them straight on, i would shoot them in the head two times, three times when they're sleeping or when they opened the door, but not get in a direct fight with them. >> do you know anybody else who knew travis or did you hear anything about travis getting violent with anybody else, whether it's an old girlfriend or his buddies or family, ever hear any other acts of violence? >> you know, that's one of the big problems with this. you know, one side the courts want the truth, but the public doesn't. the public has decided a long time ago she's a bad person, she needs to die, and you
10:29pm
know, the court of public opinion is actually suppressing the truth because there are people who know more than-- she was originally a nice looking girl and until it happened saying she had no friends and no one who knew anything? there are people who knew, but the problem is i personally experienced one woman that said, gus, look what happened to you. i'm a reasonably credible guy, a nice person, i declined interviews and all of a sudden i got totally assassinated by the press before i went on the stand and everybody believed it to be gospel and true. and a woman told me, gus, i can't have that happen. i know mormon women, but if they go on the stand in front of the public they'll be ostracized by their friends and the church and not worth it. one lady quote said she killed him, we know she killed him, it's not worth me getting involved. so even though there's more truth to be told it's being suppressed and in a society like this, we need to be able
10:30pm
to have a fair trial for everybody, whether we like them or not. and if we start not doing that you're going to create a slippery slope that could hurt a lot of of other people down the road. >> gus, thank you very much. thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> coming up the jury's biggest question he jodi arias, after all the lies why should we believe you now. as a former homicide detect ti tiff, mark fuhrman and taking tiff, mark fuhrman and taking the stand for 18 daysysysysys [ male announcer ] it's simple physics...
10:31pm
10:32pm
a body at rest tends to stay at rest... while a body in motion tends to stay in motion. staying active can actually ease arthritis symptoms. but if you have arthritis, prescription celebrex can help relieve arthritis pain so your body can stay in motion. because just one 200mg celebrex a day can provide 24 hour relief for many with arthritis pain and inflammation. plus, in clinical studies, celebrex is proven to improve daily physical function so moving is easier. celebrex can be taken with or without food. and it's not a narcotic. you and your doctor should balance the benefits with the risks. all prescription nsaids, like celebrex, ibuprofen,
10:33pm
naproxen and meloxicam have the same cardiovascular warning. they all may increase the chance of heart attack or stroke, which can lead to death. this chance increases if you have heart disease or risk factors such as high blood pressure or when nsaids are taken for long periods. nsaids, like celebrex, increase the chance of serious skin or allergic reactions or stomach and intestine problems, such as bleeding and ulcers, which can occur without warning and may cause death. patients also taking aspirin and the elderly are at increased risk for stomach bleeding and ulcers. don't take celebrex if you have bleeding in the stomach or intestine, or had an asthma attack, hives, other allergies to aspirin, nsaids or sulfonamides. get help right away if you have swelling of the face or throat, or trouble breathing. tell your doctor your medical history. and find an arthritis treatment for you. visit celebrex.com and ask your doctor about celebrex. for a body in motion.
10:34pm
>> the 27 stab wounds and slit throat. the boyfriend of jodi arias, she admit today killing him, but only changing her story three times and then did she say self-defense. how did the murder trial unfold. >> this is not a case of whodunit. the person who done it, the person who admitted to killing him sits in court today, the defendant, jodi ann arias and the person she done it to is a person travis alexander.
10:35pm
>> jodi arias killed travis alexander, there is no question about it. the million dollar question is what would have forced her to do it? jodi did not always tell the truth about what happened that night, she was scared, scared about what had happened and scared about what she had done. she had absolutely no experience with police interrogation before and so, when they talked to her, she wasn't always truthful. >> we went directly to the stairs, took the stairs up to the top, a set of double doors to the top of the stairs to the left, which was the entrance to the master bedroom suite and went through the open door and there-- person went in and found the body and appeared he'd been deceased and in that position quite some time. >> anything unusual about the body that called your attention to it?
10:36pm
>> other than the neck wound, he had appeared to be dried blood on his neck, appeared to be a neck wound from ear to ear. his face was dark purple almost black and the rest of his body was very pale white and it was kind of crammed in the bottom of the shower stall. >> i thought that the gunshot wound may have been last, but in any event the gunshot wounds and wounds to the neck would have come after the defensive wounds to the hands. >> there's no reason for it, there's no reason why, there's no reason i would ever want to hurt him. >> there's no way anybody else-- >> he never
10:37pm
>> did you kill travis alexander on june 4th, 2008. >> yes, i did. >> you gave an interview with inside edition, do you remember seeing that tape? >> yes, i do. and in that tape you said that no jurors would convict you, something to that effect, do you remember seeing that, do you remember saying that? >> yes. i'm innocent, mark my words, no jury would convict me. and at the time i had planned to commit suicide. i grabbed the gun, i run out of the closet he was chasing me, i turned around in the middle of the bathroom, and point it had at him with both of my hands. i thought that would stop him. if someone were pointing a gun at me i would stop, but he
10:38pm
just kept running, he got like a linebacker, he got kind of low and grabbed my waist. before he did that, he was lunging at me, the gun went off. i didn't mean to shoot him or anything. i didn't even think i was holding the trigger, just pointing it at him and i didn't even know that i shot him. it just went off and he was-- he lunged at me and we fell. so he's grabbing at my clothes and i got up and he's just screaming angry and after i'd broke away from him, he -- he said (bleep). >> once you broke away from him what do you remember? >> almost nothing for a long time. >> do you remember stabbing travis alexander? >> i have no memory of stabbing him. >> ma'am, were you crying when you were shooting him?
10:39pm
>> i don't remember. >> were you crying when you were stabbing him? >> i don't remember. >> how about when you cut his throat, were you crying then? >> i don't know. >> your testimony is that you were just pointing the gun at him when he came at you, right? >> yes. >> you fired the gun, you shot him in the head and you killed him, right? >> objection, your honor-- >> right? >> yeah. >> greta: coming up, memory lapses and lies, constant lies what. does jodi arias' testimony tell us about the murder in the shower? detective mark fuhrman tells us next. ♪ oh holy night the stars are brightly shining ♪ ♪ it is the night of our dear
10:40pm
with the spark miles card from capital one, bjorn earns unlimited rewas for his small business take theseags to room 12 please. [ garth ] bjors small busiss earns double miles on every purchase every day. produce delivery. [ bjorn ] just put it on my spark card. [ garth why settle for less? ahh, oh! [ garth ] great businesses deserve limited reward here's your wake up call. [ male announcer ] get the spark business card from capital one and earn unlimited rewards. choose double miles or 2% cash back on every purchase every day. what's in your wallet? [ crows ] now where's the snooze button? our largest selection of lobster erees, like lobster lover's dream or new grilledobster and lobster tacos. come in now and sea food differently. visit redlobster.com now for an exclusive $10 coupon on two lobsterfest entrees. oh. let's go. from the crack, off the backboard. [ laughs ] dad! [ laughs ] whoo! oh!
10:41pm
you're up! oh! oh! so close! now where were we? ok, this one's good for two. score! [ male announcer ] share what you love with who you love. kellogg's frosted flakes. they're gr-r-eat! [ marcy ] it's like memory foam. [ female announcer ] the only pad made from a revolutionary material. [ erina ] it totally fits to your body. [ female announcer ] it's incredible protection, you'll barely feel it. always infinity. tell us what you think. humans. even when we cross our t's and dot our i's, we still run into problems. namely, other humans. which is why at liberty mutual insurance, to policies come with new car replacement and accident forgiveness if you qualify. see what ee comes standard at libertymutual.com. liberty mutual insurance.
10:42pm
responsibility. what's your policy?
10:43pm
you want to make sure it goes up and stays up. [ chirp ] with android apps, you get better quality control. so our test flights are less stressful. i've got a lot of paperwork, and time is everything here. that's why i upgraded to sprint direct connect. [ chirp ] and instant push-to-talk nationwide. [ male announcer ] upgrade to the new "done." [ chirp ] with instant push-to-talk, three times the coverage, and android productivity apps. now when you buy one motorola admiral rugged smartphone, for ninety nine ninety nine, you'll get four free for you business. visit a sprint store, or call eight five five, eight seven eight, four biz.
10:44pm
. [singing] >> singing and head stands, yes, that's right. while the video shows a side of jodi arias you did not see in court. and how often do they see this behavior. mark fuhrman, i suspect she was unaware she was being taped and i take it this is something that's frequently done? >> absolutely. you bait the suspect with a question or statement or
10:45pm
accusation and then you leave the room knowing full well you have audio, visual or both that they know nothing about. they have no reasonable expectations of privacy and you hear all kind of admissions, statements and my favorite is, damn, how did they know that? and you know, then you get to re-enter the room and the interrogation starts over. >> greta: what's particularly interesting to me about this videotape, and i don't know are the dates. the murder occurred on june 4th, 2008 and the date of the tape i'm told is july 15th, about five or six weeks after the killing. does that make sense, have any significance to you or is it interesting to you? >> well, it doesn't have any significance as far as the murder because somebody that actually murder somebody in that manner, unjustifiably, should carry a lot of guilt. there should be a big package that they want to unload and
10:46pm
she clearly does not have that. so it's very telling to me and it also shows that she has tried to project story after story after story and this is all a scam. her tears in that interrogation before the detectives left, her shock, her denials, her admissions, it's all b-s. >> greta: i think that it would -- i mean, it has much more bearing on me if this videotape were within hours of the killing. but the fact that five or six weeks, i didn't see this behavior in the videos that i've watched of the courtroom testimony. in fact, in the the courtroom she's actually been quite clever, quite shrewd, quite smart. i didn't see this behavior. had this occurred the day of or the day after, would it have made a difference to you? >> no, not at all. i don't think it would make any difference to me whatsoever. when you see what travis alexander went through and what was done to him, how do you rerace that in a mere
10:47pm
month, one or two years? i think that would stay with somebody their entire life. and yet she's singing and standing on her head and an effective show for the audience and now you see this and it negates this. >> she says she didn't remember anything, but there's a gunshot and 27 stab wounds or 28 give or take one or two and she drags him across the floor. if i were the prosecutor i'd be talking how much time it takes to do that. it takes time to shoot someone and stab them 27 times and then not remember it. >> especially if you don't have the weapons at hand, in your control at that moment. so, if you just think about that, she's claiming a blackout. well, she's claiming a blackout after the gunshot went off and why is she admitting that she stabbed him and cut his throat? she must have blacked out during that period. why admit it? but when you look at this whole scenario and you look at the crime scene photos and the
10:48pm
crime scene photo of him lying in the shower is where he was found. are we to think that he pursued her to the closet where she gets supposedly this weapon and shoots him and then he runs back to the shower or she stabs him outside of the shower and then puts him back into the shower? >> i don't know, jury certainly has a lot of testimony, a lot to think about. mark, thank you. and straight ahead, sex, lies, videotape and even more lies. jodi arias testifying in their own defense, but spending most the time sparring with the prosecutor. who is winning that battle? our famous legal panel is here next. [ male announcer ] when these come together, and these come together, one thing you can depend on is that these will come together. delicious and wholesome. some combinations were just meant to be. tomato soup from campbell's. it's amazing what soup can do.
10:49pm
you'll have to pay five hundred bucks for your deductible. the truth? at allstate, you could pay zero. allstate gives you a hundred dollars off your deductible the day you sign up. then another hundred off every year you don't have an accident. let the good hands reward your safe driving with a deductible that goes away. ♪ deductible rewards. one more way you're in good hands with allstate. ♪ i really like your new jetta! and you want to buy one like mine because it's so safe, right? yeah... yeah... i know what you've heard -- iihs top safety pick for $159 a month -- but, i wish it was more dangerous, like a monster truck or dune buggy! you can't have the same car as me! [ male announcer ] now everyone's gointo want one. let's get a jetta. [ male announcer ] volkswagen springtoberfest is here and there's no better time to get a jetta.
10:50pm
that's the power of german engineering. right now lease one of four volkswagen models for under $200 a month. visit vwdealer.com today.
10:51pm
10:52pm
>> i lied a lot in the beginning and each of those lies tied back directly to two things. travis and protecting his ego -- his reputation and my own partially and to relate it to any involvement in his death. so i understand that there will always be questions, but all i can do is say what happened to the best of my recollection and if i'm convicted then that's because
10:53pm
of my own-- in the beginning. >> jurors asked jodi arias their own questions. and one pointed question, why should we believe you now. and anchor troy hayden has been in the courtroom and he joins us, and michael cardoza and bernie grimm and ted williams. and we showed a videotape that my colleague adam housley received. i'm curious, was there ever any mention of that tape at all in the trial or extraneous to what's going on in the courtroom? >> well, the tape played a big part in the courtroom. we didn't see her standing on her head or singing, that wasn't in the courtroom. to me the big event was jodi getting off the stand. i don't want to start anything with your panel, but you asked the panel if she should
10:54pm
testify. bernie and ted were right, i think that jodi hurt herself. the jury had scowls on their faces, i don't think that anybody believed her and hurt her case by testifying. bernie and ted, thumbs up, a good call by you two. >> thanks, troy. the envelope is in the mail. >> greta: what about that tape? the tape was made about six weeks after the alleged murder. the jury didn't see her standing on her head or singing. do you think she knew that she was being taped. >> i've had clients that knew the tape was running and after the detectives leave engage in this bizarre behavior thinking it will help them in court. if she doesn't know the tape is running, she's off center. whether that's insane or not, i don't know. she's tormented. she's standing on her head, and no appreciation of what's going on. and the saying she acted in self-defense. and ted, that video. i was a
10:55pm
homicide detective for many years and i can tell you that there are surveillance tapes in these rooms, interrogation rooms and i think she knew what was going on. you have got to look at who she is. she's a smart canny woman. when you look at her and martinez going back and forth, and you'd think ali and fraser going on. she knows what's going on. >> maichael, you never know when you're being taped or an anchor from phoenix is taking notes on what you say. >> first off let's see whether i was right or not. that's going to depend whether the jury brings back a death penalty or not and you don't know. in answer to your question, you don't know when you're being taped. i've got to tell you i've had a lot of clients that walk up to the telephones in jail, a big sign that says the police will be taping this phone call. what do they do? they get on and they talk about the crime they confess to it sometimes, and in comes that tape. and i ask them, you guys can't
10:56pm
read? well, i thought they were joking. so, did jodi know? my guess, ted, she probably didn't know and maybe in some strange way this tape might help her because she is so bizarre. maybe the jury will think, hey, this lady is crazy, can't put her to death, and she did commit the murder. >> greta: i'm sorry, michael, what's next? >> if i can comment quickly on jodi being odd, i've spent time with her in jail and within ten minutes of meeting her, she he was singing songs for me, not one song, four songs, she's definitely odd. she's an odd young woman, but the question is, what caused her to snap, that week before she killed travis alexander she admitted to doing. up next a domestic violence expert and possibly one of her ex-boyfriend, that's about all i know. >> greta: and this doesn't matter does it, so what she's odd. >> people are charged with murder, they're odd, something wrong with them. obviously we all have the
10:57pm
ability to-- and if ted bothers me more might get it. but i believe this guy tormented her and i don't believe she could be-- should be convicted of first murder. >> she won't be convicted of first murder, second degree murder and i don't believe the death penalty. >> greta: i would take the last word. i think instead of raising self-defense they should have tried it down to rage defense of 27 stabbings and the prosecutor's theory rage, and anyway, gentlemen the last word on that one. >> first degree. >> greta: a look at what's next in the death penalty case. stay with us. what's droid-smart ? with google now, it automatically knows when you need to leave for the airport, how much traffic there is, and can have your boarding pass ready. the droid razr maxx hd by motorola. droid-smart. droid-powerful.
10:58pm
10:59pm